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		<title>Comment on Plotting Evidence to Affect Social Policy: Guns, Murders, Life, Death, and Ignorance in Contemporary America by Jim Sochacki</title>
		<link>http://chance.amstat.org/2013/04/plotting-evidence/#comment-16529</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Sochacki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 18:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a hilarious article. So being able to do well at the 8th grade level is a sign of not being ignorant. Really, I teach at James Madison University and have taught at many &#039;fine&#039; universities across the USA. Not only are many college students ignorant, but so are many &#039;professors&#039;. The Department of Education and most Colleges of Education and Psychology are filled with very ignorant people. Also, more people die from cancer, disasters and diseases through products developed by highly educated people who did well in school. Weapons of mass destruction (that are used by the current president and the 3 previous presidents) built by highly educated scientists kill way more people than guns do. There are way more serious problems in the USA and the world than citizens owning guns and most of these serious problems have been created by highly educated people. This has been a prevailing fact throughout human history. The Mennonites where I live only go to school up to the 8th grade and all of them own firearms and I have no fear of them and neither does anyone in the county where I live. Many of the guns owned by these Mennonites are unregistered and many Mennonite families own a stockpile of unregistered guns. So a county with a high percentage of gun owners does not have a problem with the gun owners or people being killed by these gun owners. However, the people who own the &#039;meth&#039; labs where I live and there are lots of them are a threat, but only to those involved in the drug culture. Unfortunately, this means the police force. Once again,the data does not really tell us a lot. The lifestyles and values are what is really important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a hilarious article. So being able to do well at the 8th grade level is a sign of not being ignorant. Really, I teach at James Madison University and have taught at many &#8216;fine&#8217; universities across the USA. Not only are many college students ignorant, but so are many &#8216;professors&#8217;. The Department of Education and most Colleges of Education and Psychology are filled with very ignorant people. Also, more people die from cancer, disasters and diseases through products developed by highly educated people who did well in school. Weapons of mass destruction (that are used by the current president and the 3 previous presidents) built by highly educated scientists kill way more people than guns do. There are way more serious problems in the USA and the world than citizens owning guns and most of these serious problems have been created by highly educated people. This has been a prevailing fact throughout human history. The Mennonites where I live only go to school up to the 8th grade and all of them own firearms and I have no fear of them and neither does anyone in the county where I live. Many of the guns owned by these Mennonites are unregistered and many Mennonite families own a stockpile of unregistered guns. So a county with a high percentage of gun owners does not have a problem with the gun owners or people being killed by these gun owners. However, the people who own the &#8216;meth&#8217; labs where I live and there are lots of them are a threat, but only to those involved in the drug culture. Unfortunately, this means the police force. Once again,the data does not really tell us a lot. The lifestyles and values are what is really important.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plotting Evidence to Affect Social Policy: Guns, Murders, Life, Death, and Ignorance in Contemporary America by roger aitchison</title>
		<link>http://chance.amstat.org/2013/04/plotting-evidence/#comment-16528</link>
		<dc:creator>roger aitchison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 19:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did some similar plots relating obesity and voting patterns.
I could come to some &quot;politicially incorrect &quot;conclusions.
Thanks for sharing - 
regards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some similar plots relating obesity and voting patterns.<br />
I could come to some &#8220;politicially incorrect &#8220;conclusions.<br />
Thanks for sharing &#8211;<br />
regards.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plotting Evidence to Affect Social Policy: Guns, Murders, Life, Death, and Ignorance in Contemporary America by Frank Soler</title>
		<link>http://chance.amstat.org/2013/04/plotting-evidence/#comment-16526</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Soler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 19:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Professor Wainer,

How do you justify your conclusion in the case of Russia, for example, where the government prohibits ownership of firearms; yet, as of the last year or two, Russia leads the world in the number of homicides and/or deaths by gunfire.

Or take a different extreme view. Cuba provides a good example. In that island, the government has complete control over every aspect of human life. Predictably, Cuba has a very low incidence of homicides and/or death by gunfire (with the exclusion of suicides, where, as of recent, it was among the world&#039;s leaders).  In this case, the &quot;price to be paid&quot; is the removal of personal freedoms, the absence of civil rights or due process, and the indifference of the government towards self dignity and individual enterprise. 

The better question is the perennial, &quot;what gives&quot;? Of the factors in your study, the one that makes the most sense to me is &quot;level of education&quot;. If nothing else, perhaps it can be inferred that our national system of education appears to be failing the nation.

Regards,

Frank P. Soler, Ph.D.
Professor Emeritus
Math/Stats Dept.
De Ana College
Cupertino, CA 95014]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Wainer,</p>
<p>How do you justify your conclusion in the case of Russia, for example, where the government prohibits ownership of firearms; yet, as of the last year or two, Russia leads the world in the number of homicides and/or deaths by gunfire.</p>
<p>Or take a different extreme view. Cuba provides a good example. In that island, the government has complete control over every aspect of human life. Predictably, Cuba has a very low incidence of homicides and/or death by gunfire (with the exclusion of suicides, where, as of recent, it was among the world&#8217;s leaders).  In this case, the &#8220;price to be paid&#8221; is the removal of personal freedoms, the absence of civil rights or due process, and the indifference of the government towards self dignity and individual enterprise. </p>
<p>The better question is the perennial, &#8220;what gives&#8221;? Of the factors in your study, the one that makes the most sense to me is &#8220;level of education&#8221;. If nothing else, perhaps it can be inferred that our national system of education appears to be failing the nation.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Frank P. Soler, Ph.D.<br />
Professor Emeritus<br />
Math/Stats Dept.<br />
De Ana College<br />
Cupertino, CA 95014</p>
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		<title>Comment on Data, Data, Everywhere &#8230; by megan</title>
		<link>http://chance.amstat.org/2013/02/bigpicture-2/#comment-16506</link>
		<dc:creator>megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for letting us know about the link. It should work now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for letting us know about the link. It should work now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Data, Data, Everywhere &#8230; by Adam</title>
		<link>http://chance.amstat.org/2013/02/bigpicture-2/#comment-16504</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 08:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was an interesting article, however I cannot get the trackyourself.com link to work. Is the website unavailable? Is this website available on another domain?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was an interesting article, however I cannot get the trackyourself.com link to work. Is the website unavailable? Is this website available on another domain?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with Persi Diaconis by Larry Lesser</title>
		<link>http://chance.amstat.org/2012/11/interview-with-persi-diaconis/#comment-16479</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Lesser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice interview!  Readers interested in connecting magic to their statistics teaching may also enjoy this paper  available online at:  http://iospress.metapress.com/content/j730w4777h667125/.

Lesser, L. M. &amp; Glickman, Mark E. (2009). Using Magic in the Teaching of Probability and Statistics. Model Assisted Statistics and Applications, 4(4), 265-274.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice interview!  Readers interested in connecting magic to their statistics teaching may also enjoy this paper  available online at:  <a href="http://iospress.metapress.com/content/j730w4777h667125/" rel="nofollow">http://iospress.metapress.com/content/j730w4777h667125/</a>.</p>
<p>Lesser, L. M. &amp; Glickman, Mark E. (2009). Using Magic in the Teaching of Probability and Statistics. Model Assisted Statistics and Applications, 4(4), 265-274.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ethics and the Statistical Use of Prior Information by Deborah Mayo</title>
		<link>http://chance.amstat.org/2012/11/ethics-25-4/#comment-16473</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah Mayo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gelman’s view on the proper entry of background knowledge is actually in sync with Sir David Cox’s position. Beyond what might be extracted from the snippet from the highly informal, recorded (Cox-Mayo) exchange to which Gelman refers (p. 3), Cox has done at least as much as anyone else I can think of to show us how we might generate, systematize, and organize background information, and how to establish the criteria appropriate for evaluating such information. But even in our informal conversation, Cox is clear about using prior knowledge in analyzing the data. 

MAYO: But they should use existing knowledge.

COX: Knowledge yes. Prior knowledge will go into constructing the model in the first place or even asking the question or even finding it at all interesting. It’s not evidence that should be used if let’s say a group of surgeons claim we are very, very strongly convinced, maybe to probability 0.99, that this surgical procedure works and is good for patients, without inquiring where the 0.99 came from. It’s a very dangerous line of argument. But not unknown.

When Cox says in our conversation:
&quot;In fact you have very clever ways of making sure that your analysis is valid even if the prior information is totally wrong. If you use the wrong prior information you just got an inefficient design, that’s all&quot; (p. 105),
he is using “prior information” to refer to various uncorroborated beliefs, conjectures, hunches, whether or not they are influenced by policy, ethical, or other values, and for which no evidence is given. That is why he mentions the possibility that “the prior information is totally wrong”.

Ironically, it is Gelman who declares in this article that “A Bayesian wants everybody else to be a non-Bayesian”:
“No funny stuff, no posterior distributions, just the likelihood. . . . I don’t want everybody coming to me with their posterior distribution—I’d just have to divide away their prior distributions before getting to my own analysis.” 
I discuss this in a series of posts on my blog beginning http://errorstatistics.com/2012/09/12/u-phil-how-should-prior-information-enter-in-statistical-inference/

Our exchange may be found here: http://www.rmm-journal.de/downloads/Article_Cox_Mayo.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gelman’s view on the proper entry of background knowledge is actually in sync with Sir David Cox’s position. Beyond what might be extracted from the snippet from the highly informal, recorded (Cox-Mayo) exchange to which Gelman refers (p. 3), Cox has done at least as much as anyone else I can think of to show us how we might generate, systematize, and organize background information, and how to establish the criteria appropriate for evaluating such information. But even in our informal conversation, Cox is clear about using prior knowledge in analyzing the data. </p>
<p>MAYO: But they should use existing knowledge.</p>
<p>COX: Knowledge yes. Prior knowledge will go into constructing the model in the first place or even asking the question or even finding it at all interesting. It’s not evidence that should be used if let’s say a group of surgeons claim we are very, very strongly convinced, maybe to probability 0.99, that this surgical procedure works and is good for patients, without inquiring where the 0.99 came from. It’s a very dangerous line of argument. But not unknown.</p>
<p>When Cox says in our conversation:<br />
&#8220;In fact you have very clever ways of making sure that your analysis is valid even if the prior information is totally wrong. If you use the wrong prior information you just got an inefficient design, that’s all&#8221; (p. 105),<br />
he is using “prior information” to refer to various uncorroborated beliefs, conjectures, hunches, whether or not they are influenced by policy, ethical, or other values, and for which no evidence is given. That is why he mentions the possibility that “the prior information is totally wrong”.</p>
<p>Ironically, it is Gelman who declares in this article that “A Bayesian wants everybody else to be a non-Bayesian”:<br />
“No funny stuff, no posterior distributions, just the likelihood. . . . I don’t want everybody coming to me with their posterior distribution—I’d just have to divide away their prior distributions before getting to my own analysis.”<br />
I discuss this in a series of posts on my blog beginning <a href="http://errorstatistics.com/2012/09/12/u-phil-how-should-prior-information-enter-in-statistical-inference/" rel="nofollow">http://errorstatistics.com/2012/09/12/u-phil-how-should-prior-information-enter-in-statistical-inference/</a></p>
<p>Our exchange may be found here: <a href="http://www.rmm-journal.de/downloads/Article_Cox_Mayo.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.rmm-journal.de/downloads/Article_Cox_Mayo.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Improving Mr. Miyagi’s Coaching Style: Teaching Data Analytics with Interactive Data Visualizations by Julia</title>
		<link>http://chance.amstat.org/2012/04/teaching-data-analytics/#comment-16470</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Improving Mr. Miyagi’s Coaching Style: Teaching Data Analytics with Interactive 
Data Visualizations &#124; CHANCE” was indeed a superb posting.

If solely there were a lot more websites such as this excellent one on 
the word wide web. Well, thanks for your time, Coy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Improving Mr. Miyagi’s Coaching Style: Teaching Data Analytics with Interactive<br />
Data Visualizations | CHANCE” was indeed a superb posting.</p>
<p>If solely there were a lot more websites such as this excellent one on<br />
the word wide web. Well, thanks for your time, Coy</p>
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		<title>Comment on Interview with Persi Diaconis by Deborah Mayo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Mayo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doubtless Persi&#039;s interest in magic explains his keen ability to scrutinize experiments in PSI. 
http://errorstatistics.com/2012/09/22/statistics-and-esp-research-diaconis/
I was disappointed, though, that Persi didn&#039;t show me any magic tricks, either at that conference or others, as I&#039;m a big magic fan. True, Freedman warned me not to ask Persi to do a trick, yet I did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doubtless Persi&#8217;s interest in magic explains his keen ability to scrutinize experiments in PSI.<br />
<a href="http://errorstatistics.com/2012/09/22/statistics-and-esp-research-diaconis/" rel="nofollow">http://errorstatistics.com/2012/09/22/statistics-and-esp-research-diaconis/</a><br />
I was disappointed, though, that Persi didn&#8217;t show me any magic tricks, either at that conference or others, as I&#8217;m a big magic fan. True, Freedman warned me not to ask Persi to do a trick, yet I did.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Problem of Reproducibility by Weekly roundup: September 10 &#8211; 16 &#171; lingwhatics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly roundup: September 10 &#8211; 16 &#171; lingwhatics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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